Dear fellow Korean learners,

 

I know there are already one or two threads about the topic of vocabulary learning, but I'd like to ask from a different perspective and quickly tell you my way of learning it. It might be inefficient, I don't know.

 

1). First off, I'm kinda into "rote learning", but I frame it more like "micro learning", learning with flash cards! I notice it is the only way you're really able to (or forced to) memorize content. Of course context is important, but repitition is almost more important! I know for sure flash cards won't help for the huge amounts of absurd content one might need to learn in university otherwise (because you often can't split if down into "micro-content") and also not for grammar learning and sentence building (this is what the TTMIK lessons including their sentence buildings drills are great! :)), but for pure vocabulary learning I see no other way! Especially because I consider my memory as bad (might be subjective). Or at least I know I get the most discipline out of flash card repitition, even though I'm far from where I want to be in this regard!

 

2). The second part is that I feel that I really need to "own" a vocabulary! I actually heard that expression before, "owning" ones content means to actually internalize it. But for the first part it means I got the - maybe highly inefficient - habit of actually having to extract the vocabulary from whatever source and put it into a flashcard in my flashcard "program" to actually give myself a chance to set a checkmark behind it and kinda "forget" it until the actual learning and repitition phase! I also often even put the source (or multiple ones) into it and with verbs I put the wiktionary conjugation table as a link! (Often forget it though. ^^) It's really not efficient in the short-term, but I hope I'll profit from it in the long term. I just wonder, do you even jot down your vocabulary? I mean I rarely "copy & paste" them, I actually jot them down myself! (That's how I come up with weird questions about keyboard stickers. ;) ...) I know there are hundreds of offers out there with Korean vocabulary lists and bla and it is indeed hard to keep track of what I've already put into my stack of flashcards! But: I feel it's still less inefficient than rely on the content of a third party - I hope this doesn't sound arrogant. I rather double- and triple-check also (my vocabs). Not because I consider anything on the internet wrong (mostly my vocabs comes from textbooks anyways), but rather because I consider myself too "stupid" ;) / unexperienced, because indeed of the lack of context.

 

3). I ask this question because I know there are a lot of people claiming to learn so and so and use this and that program / service or tool, but I wonder: Be frank, what do you really use? With what tool do you work 80+% of the time to study? Not what is the coolest or most fun tool, but how do you learn most of the time? I mean, for example, of course I keep Korean content on my smartphone (in the notes), in MS OneNote and I even got a Mindmanager Mindmap! ^_^ Plus a lot of paper notes from train travels and classes... But how do I learn 80% of the time? Well, with my flashcards, my textbook and the TalkToMeInKorean lessons! :) Of course, especially for vocabulary I notice - at least - I need to check on a set of different dictionaries often (paper and online), but the actual repition and grammar crunching is done only with the above two tools.

 

So far, soon I'll be opening a topic only talking about dictionaries.

(A topic that hasn't been discussed here yet, if you have a sharp look. ;))

 

Cheers

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I use flash cards. The problem with flash cards is that one needs to put new words into a context and start using these words in every-day situations as soon as possible. Otherwise all those words are easily  slipping one's mind.

I found that memorizing useful sentences with new words works better for me but it's kind of hard to make a good sentence for each new word.  

Here's my answer:

I've also published this as a KBC Community Soapbox video. I'd love to "see" how other members are solving their Korean vocabulary study needs.

 

OMG, you made a video just like that (even mentioning me -.-), great stuff! But I guess it looks to me like you didn't really have to cram since 1979 (or 1999), because you were done back then? ;-) ...As you labeled it all as "old" stuff.

 

And 10 binders, wow. There are the 10.000 hours.

I'm a little concerned that my ten binders statement was an exaggeration. I'm going to check my box of stuff when I get to the States to check for sure. It's a big box and there's plenty more in there, but as for counting fat binders, I might have miscounted...

 

And as for "being done". No, no way... Every word doesn't stick forever the first time; lots of words pop up more than once, which is a nice feature of this approach. Each time I find a word, the text is different and so with repetition, it helps to build up context and an understanding of nuance.

Actually I'm still interested in the topic in so far that the "how" is, I think, always more important and interesting. We all might have big or many folders, the question is:

Did/do you order your vocabulary after topic or context, do you have separate grammar sections, do you felt the need to keep it as simple as possible (one box, 5000 vocabulary) or as structured/detailed as possible (hierarchical topic sorting or after difficulty or whatnot) or did this question never bother you?

 

How do you repeat, what kind of exercises / drills do you do to check on your knowledge or internalize grammar rules? All these things are interesting to me. I am definitely into the specifics, as e. g. lined out by Mr. Vise here. Of course not everyone is into this kind of "meta"-analysis...

I have been following these discussions while I made an app for it. It's kind of a flashcard application but has more features. Like translation lookups which makes it work like a dictionary with more training functions. I usually add notes of who said the word, or in what context I found it, which helps remembering a lot, as someone mentioned already.

 

The flashcards/words are automatically placed in a todo-list, so what I do is that I try to clear my todo-list every day. For each time I practice a word I decide how long time the word should be removed before coming back to the todo-list. Could be hours, days, months or forever. For difficult or important words I let it reoccur after a few hours or days, while easy and unimportant words I set weeks or months. Allegorically, it's kind of like you are walking with flashcards in your hand and throwing them in a straight line in front of you, the longer you throw them the longer it takes until you pick them up, read and throw again.

 

I usually use the app on my computer while studying, perhaps reading news or watching Korean movie. Since it's faster to use the keyboard. But while commuting or lying on my bed I just use my ipod or sometimes my tablet.

 

Before this I used to have a lot of excel-lists, but the problem was that it was bothersome to look for words I have to practice on.  Since I have an automatically updating todo-list its somehow easier to get started.

 

 

When I was studying Japanese, I found the easiest way to internalize vocabulary in phrases rather than in individual words.

When I was in good condition, I'd just memorize a whole sentence or whole paragraph of content that I already understood (after looking up words I didn't know to understand the content) and the method of how I would do this was by speaking out the language outloud to myself over and over again.

That is the only way I could really internalize a word or phrase or sentence.

The problem with words, is that even if you know a bunch of words you can't make much use of them except for recognizing them in the real world. But how lucky would you get unless you were constantly wandering around Korea in a different surroundings?

 

Writing down while studying on a scribble book helps me to focus on what's in front of me, but it wouldn't let me memorize them. I would have to go back to my scribbles at least 4-5 times to be able to think up the word without peeking.

 

But when I read outloud whatever expression it was I needed, that seemed to sink into my memory cells. And I would be able to use it again in the proper situation.

 

Lastly, when I was working in a large international firm, I noticed one of the Executive team leaders who was excellent as making new words his own. What he'd do was contstantly use a new word he learned almost any chance he had for about 2-3 months. I almost got tired of him using the word "bottleneck" in every meeting, every colleague dinner and even during soju, and in morning greetings even.

 

For my English students, I use keynotes on ipad to incorporate beautiful images with the phrase or key learning.

So that they're using more of their brain.  Again, I always associate words with phrases or clusters of words.

 

Hope that was helpful.

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